- Γέροντα, ο θείος έρως είναι η αγάπη για τον Θεό;
- Ο θείος έρως είναι κάτι ανώτερο από την αγάπη για τον Θεό. Είναι τρέλα. Αγάπη - έρως - τρέλα, όπως φθόνος-μίσος-φόνος. Η ακριβή αγάπη προς τον Θεό, με τις θυσίες της, γλυκοβράζει την καρδιά, και σαν τον ατμό πετιέται ο θείος έρως, ο οποίος δεν μπορεί να συγκρατηθή, και ενώνεται με τον Θεό.
Ο θείος έρως λυγίζει τα σκληρά κόκκαλα και γίνονται τόσο μαλακά, που ο άνθρωπος δεν μπορεί να σταθή όρθιος, πέφτει κάτω! Γίνεται σαν την λαμπάδα που βρίσκεται σε θερμό χώρο και δεν μπορεί να σταθή όρθια. Πότε λυγίζει από εδώ, πότε λυγίζει από εκεί. Την σιάζεις, αλλά πάλι λυγίζει, πάλι πέφτει, γιατί είναι θερμός ο χώρος, πολύ θερμό... Όταν κανείς βρίσκεται σ' αυτήν την κατάσταση και πρέπη να πάη κάπου η να κάνη κάποια δουλειά, δεν μπορεί. Παλεύει, προσπαθεί να βγει από αυτήν την κατάσταση...
- Γέροντα, όταν βρίσκεται κανείς στην κατάσταση του θείου έρωτος, αν πονάη, το αισθάνεται;
- Ο πόνος, αν είναι πολύ δυνατός μετριάζεται και γίνεται υποφερτός. Αν είναι λίγος χάνεται. Βλέπεις όσοι είναι ερωτευμένοι, συνεπαίρνονται τελείως, ούτε ύπνος τους πιάνει. Μου έλεγε ένας μοναχός: "Γέροντα, ο αδελφός μου έχει ερωτευθή μια γύφτισσα, και ούτε να κοιμηθεί μπορεί. Συνέχεια "Παρασκευούλα μου, Παρασκευούλα μου" λέει. Μάγια του έχουν κάνει; δεν ξέρω! Εγώ τόσα χρόνια καλόγερος, δεν αγαπώ την Παναγία ούτε όσο αγαπάει ο αδελφός μου αυτή την γύφτισσα! Καθόλου να μη σκιρτάει η καρδιά μου!".
Δυστυχώς υπάρχουν πνευματικοί άνθρωποι που σκανδαλίζονται με την λέξη "θείος έρως". Δεν έχουν καταλάβει τι θα πη "θείος έρως" και θέλουν να βγάλουν την λέξη αυτή από τη Μηναία και από την Παρακλητική, γιατί λένε ότι σκανδαλίζει. Που φθάσαμε! Αντίθετα, οι κοσμικοί που έχουν ζήσει τον κοσμικό έρωτα, αν τους μιλήσεις για θείο έρωτα, αμέσως λένε : "Κάτι ανώτερο θα είναι αυτό". Πόσα παιδιά που γνώρισαν τον κοσμικό έρωτα τα φέρνω αμέσως σε λογαριασμό, όταν τους μιλώ για τον θείο έρωτα! "Εσείς πέσατε κάτω καμιά φορά από την αγάπη που νοιώσατε; τα ρωτάω, Νιώσατε ποτέ εσείς έτσι που να μην μπορείτε να κουνηθείτε, να μην μπορείτε να κάνετε τίποτε;". Αμέσως καταλαβαίνουν ότι αυτό είναι κάτι ανώτερο και συνενοούμαστε. "Αν εμείς, λένε, από αυτό το κοσμικό κάτι νιώθουμε, φαντάσου τι θα είναι εκείνο το ουράνιο!".
- Πως μπορείς να παλαβώσης, Γέροντα, από την αγάπη του Θεού;
- Να συναναστρέφεσαι με... παλαβούς, να να σου μεταδώσουν την τρέλα τους την πνευματική! Θα εύχομαι να σε δω... θεότρελλη! Αμήν
Έχω κι εγώ μια μικρή πείρα από την πνευματική τρέλα, η οποία προέρχεται από τον θείο έρωτα. Φθάνει τότε ο άνθρωπος στην θεία αφηρημάδα και δεν θέλει να σκέφτεται τίποτε εκτός από τον Θεό, τα θεία, τα πνευματικά, τα ουράνια. Ερωτευμένος πια θεϊκά, καίγεται εσωτερικά, γλυκά, και ξεσπάει εξωτερικά, παλαβά, μέσα στον θείο χώρο της σεμνότητος δοξολογώντας σαν άγγελος μέρα-νύχτα τον Θεό και Πλάστη του.
- Είναι έκστασις αυτό, Γέροντα;
- Ναι, είναι εκτός εαυτού τότε ο άνθρωπος, με την καλή έννοια. Αυτό είναι ....."έκστηθι φρίττων ουρανέ" [ειρμός της η' ωδής του κανόνος του Μ. Σαββάτου]
Η θεία τρέλα βγάζει τον άνθρωπο έξω από την έλξη της γης, τον ανεβάζει στον θρόνο του Θεού, και νιώθει πια ο άνθρωπος τον εαυτό του σαν το σκυλάκι στα πόδια του αφεντικού του και του γλείφει τα πόδια με χαρά και ευλάβεια.
Geron Paisios of the Holy Mountain
- Geron, is “divine eros” the love we feel for God?
- Divine eros is something far superior to one’s love for God. It is a kind of madness. “Love – eros – madness” – is along the same lines as “envy – hatred – murder”. A precise love of God - complete with sacrifices – simmers slowly inside the heart; then, just like steam, divine eros (which cannot be held back) bursts forth and unites with God. Divine eros can soften even the toughest bones so much, that a person can no longer stand upright; he actually falls down! He then resembles a wax candle in a warm environment, which cannot stand firmly upright. It falls to one side, then it falls to the other side… you straighten it, but again it bends, again it falls, because of the heat of its environment, which is too hot for it to bear.. When a person finds himself in such a state and he needs to go somewhere or do something, he cannot… He struggles; he has to actually struggle to get out of that state….
- Geron, when someone is in a state of divine eros, and if he is in pain, can he feel that pain?
- If the pain is very intense, it is subdued and becomes tolerable. If the pain is minimal, it disappears altogether… Haven’t you seen how people who are in love with each other are entirely oblivious? They can hardly sleep… A monk once told me: “Geron, a brother of mine has fallen in love with a gypsy girl and has lost his sleep over her. He keeps repeating her name, over and over again… Is he perhaps bewitched? I have been a monk for so many years, and even I don’t feel that much love for the Holy Mother as he feels for that gypsy! I don’t feel my heart leaping like that!”
Unfortunately, there are spiritual people who are scandalized by the term “divine eros”. They haven’t perceived what “divine eros” means, and they are attempting to remove this term from the Menaia and the Paracletic texts, because they claim that it scandalizes. Where have things come to! On the contrary, if you speak to secular people (who have experienced “secular eros”) about divine eros, they immediately say: “That must be something a far superior thing.” There have been so many youngsters who have experienced “secular eros”, whom I immediately “aligned” when I mentioned divine eros to them! I ask them: “Have you ever lost your footing on account of the love that you felt for someone? Have you ever felt that you cannot move and you cannot do absolutely anything?” They then immediately comprehend how this must be a really superior state, and we understand each other perfectly thereafter. They usually respond with: “If we feel that way with something secular, imagine what that celestial feeling must be like!”
- How can one become dotty, Geron, by their love for God?
- Well, by keeping company with …other dotty ones, who will infect you with their spiritual dottiness! I will pray to one day see you… a complete madman! Amen…
I too have a small experience of spiritual madness, which comes from divine eros. In that state, a person reaches the stage of divine absentmindedness and wants to think of nothing else except God, the divine, the spiritual, the celestial… While divinely in love, he is deliciously ablaze internally, and he explodes externally in a mad manner - within the divine confines of modesty – and glorifies his God and Maker like an angel, day and night….
- Is that what we call “ecstasy”, Geron?
- Yes. That is when a person “takes leave of himself” – in the good sense, of course. That is also what we mean by ....”stand aside and shudder, o heavens” (έκστηθι φρίττων ουρανέ) [from the Eirmos of the 8th Ode of the Canon of Easter Saturday].
Divine madness takes a person beyond the earth’s pull; it lifts him up to the Throne of God, and makes him feel like a puppy at his master’s feet; a puppy licking His Feet joyfully and with reverence…
- Divine eros is something far superior to one’s love for God. It is a kind of madness. “Love – eros – madness” – is along the same lines as “envy – hatred – murder”. A precise love of God - complete with sacrifices – simmers slowly inside the heart; then, just like steam, divine eros (which cannot be held back) bursts forth and unites with God. Divine eros can soften even the toughest bones so much, that a person can no longer stand upright; he actually falls down! He then resembles a wax candle in a warm environment, which cannot stand firmly upright. It falls to one side, then it falls to the other side… you straighten it, but again it bends, again it falls, because of the heat of its environment, which is too hot for it to bear.. When a person finds himself in such a state and he needs to go somewhere or do something, he cannot… He struggles; he has to actually struggle to get out of that state….
- Geron, when someone is in a state of divine eros, and if he is in pain, can he feel that pain?
- If the pain is very intense, it is subdued and becomes tolerable. If the pain is minimal, it disappears altogether… Haven’t you seen how people who are in love with each other are entirely oblivious? They can hardly sleep… A monk once told me: “Geron, a brother of mine has fallen in love with a gypsy girl and has lost his sleep over her. He keeps repeating her name, over and over again… Is he perhaps bewitched? I have been a monk for so many years, and even I don’t feel that much love for the Holy Mother as he feels for that gypsy! I don’t feel my heart leaping like that!”
Unfortunately, there are spiritual people who are scandalized by the term “divine eros”. They haven’t perceived what “divine eros” means, and they are attempting to remove this term from the Menaia and the Paracletic texts, because they claim that it scandalizes. Where have things come to! On the contrary, if you speak to secular people (who have experienced “secular eros”) about divine eros, they immediately say: “That must be something a far superior thing.” There have been so many youngsters who have experienced “secular eros”, whom I immediately “aligned” when I mentioned divine eros to them! I ask them: “Have you ever lost your footing on account of the love that you felt for someone? Have you ever felt that you cannot move and you cannot do absolutely anything?” They then immediately comprehend how this must be a really superior state, and we understand each other perfectly thereafter. They usually respond with: “If we feel that way with something secular, imagine what that celestial feeling must be like!”
- How can one become dotty, Geron, by their love for God?
- Well, by keeping company with …other dotty ones, who will infect you with their spiritual dottiness! I will pray to one day see you… a complete madman! Amen…
I too have a small experience of spiritual madness, which comes from divine eros. In that state, a person reaches the stage of divine absentmindedness and wants to think of nothing else except God, the divine, the spiritual, the celestial… While divinely in love, he is deliciously ablaze internally, and he explodes externally in a mad manner - within the divine confines of modesty – and glorifies his God and Maker like an angel, day and night….
- Is that what we call “ecstasy”, Geron?
- Yes. That is when a person “takes leave of himself” – in the good sense, of course. That is also what we mean by ....”stand aside and shudder, o heavens” (έκστηθι φρίττων ουρανέ) [from the Eirmos of the 8th Ode of the Canon of Easter Saturday].
Divine madness takes a person beyond the earth’s pull; it lifts him up to the Throne of God, and makes him feel like a puppy at his master’s feet; a puppy licking His Feet joyfully and with reverence…
